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LES FÉDÉRAUX ENTRAÎNENT LE CLERGÉ À "APAISER LA DISSIDENCE" PENDANT LA LOI MARTIALE

 
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LES FÉDÉRAUX ENTRAÎNENT LE CLERGÉ À "APAISER LA DISSIDENCE" PENDANT LA LOI MARTIALE

ENGLISH : FEDS TRAIN CLERGY TO "QUELL DISSENT" DURING MARTIAL LAW
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2007/160807_quell_dissent.htm

Un rapport choquant du KSLA 12 confirme l'histoire que nous avons racontée l'année dernière, que les Pasteurs devront citer Romain 13 comme raison pour que le public obéisse aux ordres du gouvernement, renonce aux armes et se laisse amener dans des camps lors d'un état d'urgence.   Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet
Jeudi, 15 août 2007  

Un rapport choquant du KSLA a confirmé l'histoire que nous vous avons racontée l'année dernière, que les Équipes de Réponse du Clergé se font entraînées par le gouvernement fédéral pour "apaiser la dissidence" et pacifier les citoyens pour qu'ils obéissent au gouvernement dans l'éventualité d'une déclaration de la loi martiale.

En mai 2006, nous avons exposé l'existence du programme, à l'échelle du pays, de la FEMA qui est l'entraînement des Pasteurs et autres représentants religieux à devenir des exécuteurs pour la police secrète et pour qu'ils enseignent leurs congrégations  à "obéir au gouvernement" en préparation de l'implantation de la loi martiale, la saisie de la propriété et des armes à feu, les programmes de vaccination massive et à la relocation forcée.

Un informateur, qui venait secrètement de s'enrôler dans le programme, nous a dit que les fédéraux recrutaient clandestinement des leaders religieux pour aider à l'implantation des directives de la Sécurité de la Nation (Homeland Security) dans l'anticipation d'une attaque potentielle bio-terroriste, un désastre naturel ou une urgence déclarée nationale.

La première directive était que les Pasteurs enseignent à leurs congrégations Romain 13, ce passage biblique sorti si souvent de son contexte et qui a été utilisé par Hitler pour hameçonner les Chrétiens pour obtenir leur support, afin de leur enseigner à "obéir au gouvernement" lorsque la loi martiale est déclarée.

Cela retombait sur les Pasteur si les quarantaine, la loi martiale et la relocalisation forcée devenaient un problème pour les autorités lorsqu'ils appliquaient les mandats fédéraux à cause de  la "mentalité de cow-boy" des citoyens qui se tenaient debout pour leur propriété et leurs droits reçus du deuxième amendement tout comme les fermiers qui défendaient leurs semences et leur bétail contre la saisie.

En préparation aux invasions, on insistait beaucoup et longtemps d'avance pour que les Pasteurs prêchent l'obéissance aux autorités et pour que cela soit clair pour la congrégation que "ceci est pour leur propre bien".

On disait aux Pasteurs qu'ils seraient soutenus par le maintien de la loi s'ils contrôlaient des individus qui ne coopéraient pas et qu'ils seraient même dirigés par des équipes SWAT lorsqu'ils tenteraient d'apaiser la résistance.

Malgré le fait que, en ce moment-là, quelques uns ont douté de la justesse de ce rapport et dû aux implications fondamentalement dérangeantes, l'histoire a été confirmée par un rapport de nouvelles du KSLA 12, du fait que le clergé participant et les officiels admettent l'existence de ce programme.

VIDÉO : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e-BtWhs8qlg

Le rapport dépeint un scénario de loi martiale telle que l'on voit dans le film "The Siege" et déclare que "d'apaiser la dissidence" serait critique.

Le Dr. Durrell Tuberville est chapelain au Département des Incendies de Shreveport et au Bureau du Shérif de Caddo.   Tuberville a dit à l'équipe de mission du clergé, "la chose première que nous disons à qui que ce soit est coopérons et finissons-en avec cette chose-là et puis nous arrangerons les différences une fois que la crise sera passée".

De telles équipes de réponse du clergé marcheront sur une corde raide durant la loi martiale entre les demandes du gouvernement d'un côté, versus les désirs du public de l'autre.  "Dans bien des cas, ces personnes du clergé seraient connues dans le voisinage où ils aident à diffuser cette situation", nous assure Sandy Davis.  Il est directeur du Caddo-Bossier Office of Homeland Security and Emergency Preparedness (bureau pour les urgences nationales).

Pour l'équipe du clergé, un des outils les plus puissants qu'ils auront pour les aider à calmer le public ou pour qu'ils obéissent à la loi est la Bible elle-même, précisément Romain 13.  Le Dr. Tuberville a ajouté, "parce que le gouvernement est établi par le Seigneur, vous savez.  Et c'est ce que nous croyons dans notre foi Chrétienne.  C'est écrit dans les Écritures."

Prises de vue de l'article de nouvelles du KSLA 12 qui étaient inclus dans le rapport vidéo :
http://www.ksla.com/Global/story.asp?S=6937987.

Alors, vous l'avez  la Sécurité de la Nation travaille avec les départements de police locaux et les leaders religieux pour préparer la déclaration de la loi martiale et pour particulièrement développer des techniques qu'ils emploieront durant la crise pour "apaiser la dissidence".

Les leaders Chrétiens bidons sont en train de faire un lavage de cerveau à leurs congrégations pour qu'ils acceptent le fait que l'état policier totalitaire "vient du Seigneur" et qu'ils devraient se mettre à genoux et lécher des bottes de Jack pendant que les invasions prendront place et que les citoyens sont amenés dans des zones de quarantaine et des camps de détention par la Garde Nationale et les troupes Américains de retour d'Iraq.

Le précédent pour la confiscation massive des armes et la loi martiale lors d'une urgence réelle ou manufacturée a eu lieu pendant l'ouragan Katrina, lorsque les patrouilles de la police et la Garde Nationale ont forcé les propriétaires de maison  même dans des endroits qui n'étaient pas affectés par l'ouragan  à leur remettre leurs armes à feu qu'ils possédaient légalement et cela, à la pointe du fusil.

Cela est un précurseur très clair de la déclaration imminente de l'état d'urgence, un scénario que le Président Bush a codifié dans sa Presidential Decision Directive (directive présidentielle) du 9 mai, qui déclare que dans l'éventualité d'un "événement catastrophique" le Président peut prendre la contrôle total sur le gouvernement et le pays, outrepasser tous les autres paliers du gouvernement au niveau national, fédéral, local, territorial et tribal, et ainsi assurer une puissance dictatoriale totale et sans précédent.

La portée de ce programme est tellement secrète que même les membres du Comité de la Sécurité de la Nation et le Congressiste Peter DeFazio se sont vus refuser l'accès à la partie classifiée de ces documents.


http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/august2007/160807_quell_dissent.htm

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http://www.ksla.com/Global/story.asp?S=6937987            


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ROMANS 13 -- ARE CHRISTIANS REQUIRED TO SUBMIT TO GOVERNMENT EDICT AND POLICY 100% OF THE TIME?




Subtitle: A close exegesis of Romans 13 reveals that today's Christians have been deceived into thinking they must unquestioningly submit to their government leader, and further feel that any protest is equivalent to being a traitor.


Pastor Chuck Baldwin refutes this unbiblical notion simply by examining the Bible. We discover that Romans 13 places civil government under strict guidelines.

This is an article for the day in which we live.


It seems that every time someone such as myself attempts to encourage our Christian brothers and sisters to resist an unconstitutional or otherwise reprehensible government policy, we hear the retort, "What about Romans Chapter 13? We Christians must submit to government. Any government. Read your Bible, and leave me alone."

Or words to that effect.  
 
No doubt, some who use this argument are sincere. They are only repeating what they have heard their pastor and other religious leaders say. On the other hand, let's be honest enough to admit that some who use this argument are just plain lazy, apathetic, and indifferent.
And Romans 13 is their escape from responsibility. I suspect this is the much larger group, by the way.

Nevertheless, for the benefit of those who are sincere (but obviously misinformed), let's briefly examine Romans Chapter 13. I quote Romans Chapter 13, verses 1 through 7, from the Authorized King James text:
Citation:
"Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake. For this cause pay ye tribute
also: for they are God's ministers, attending continually upon this very thing. Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor."



Do our Christian friends who use these verses to teach that we should not oppose President Bush or any other political leader, really believe that civil magistrates have unlimited authority to do anything they want without opposition? I doubt whether they truly believe that.

For example, what if our President decided to resurrect the old monarchal custom of Jus Primae Noctis (Law of First Night)? That was the old medieval custom when the king claimed the right to sleep with a subject's bride on the first night of their marriage. Would our sincere Christian brethren sheepishly say, "Romans Chapter 13 says we must submit to the government"?
I think not. And would any of us respect any man who would submit to such a law?

So, there are limits to authority.

A father has authority in his home, but does this give him power to abuse his wife and children? Of course not.

An employer has authority on the job, but does this give him power to control the private lives of his employees? No.

A pastor has overseer authority in the church, but does this give him power to tell employers in his church how to run their businesses? Of course not.
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All human authority is limited in nature. No man has unlimited authority over the lives of other men. (Lordship and Sovereignty is the exclusive domain of Jesus Christ.)


By the same token, a civil magistrate has authority in civil matters, but his authority is limited and defined. Observe that Romans Chapter 13 clearly limits the authority of civil government by strictly defining its purpose: "For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil . . . For he is the minister of God to thee for good . . . for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil."

Notice that civil government must not be a "terror to good works." It has no power or authority to terrorize good works or good people. God never gave it that authority. And any government that oversteps that divine boundary has no divine authority or protection.

Civil government is a "minister of God to thee for good." It is a not a minister of God for evil. Civil magistrates have a divine duty to "execute wrath upon him that doeth evil." They have no authority to execute wrath upon him that doeth good. None. Zilch. Zero. And anyone who says they do is lying.
So, even in the midst of telling Christians to submit to civil authority, Romans Chapter 13 limits the power and reach of civil authority.

Did Moses violate God's principle of submission to authority when he killed the Egyptian taskmaster in defense of his fellow Hebrew?
Did Elijah violate God's principle of submission to authority when he openly challenged Ahab and Jezebel?
Did David violate God's principle of submission to authority when he refused to surrender to Saul's troops?
Did Daniel violate God's principle of submission to authority when he disobeyed the king's law to not pray audibly to God?
Did the three Hebrew children violate God's principle of submission to authority when they refused to bow to the image of the state?
Did John the Baptist violate God's principle of submission to authority when he publicly scolded King Herod for his infidelity?
Did Simon Peter and the other Apostles violate God's principle of submission to authority when they refused to stop preaching on the streets of Jerusalem?
Did Paul violate God's principle of submission to authority when he refused to obey those authorities who demanded that he abandon his missionary work? In fact, Paul spent almost as much time in jail as he did out of jail.
Remember that every apostle of Christ (except John) was killed by hostile civil authorities opposed to their endeavors. Christians throughout church history were imprisoned, tortured, or killed by civil authorities of all stripes for refusing to submit to their various laws and prohibitions. Did all of these Christian martyrs violate God's principle of submission to authority?
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So, even the great prophets, apostles, and writers of the Bible (including the writer of Romans Chapter 13) understood that human authority--even civil authority--is limited.


Plus, Paul makes it clear that our submission to civil authority must be predicated on more than fear of governmental retaliation. Notice, he said, "Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake." Meaning, our obedience to civil authority is more than just "because they said so." It is also a matter of conscience. This means we must think and reason for ourselves regarding the justness and rightness of our government's laws.

Obedience is not automatic or robotic. It is a result of both rational deliberation and moral approbation.

Therefore, there are times when civil authority may need to be resisted. Either governmental abuse of power or the violation of conscience (or both) could precipitate civil disobedience. Of course, how and when we decide to resist civil authority is an entirely separate issue. And I will reserve that discussion for another time.

Beyond that, we in the United States of America do not live under a monarchy. We have no king. There is no single governing official in this country. America's "supreme Law" does not rest with any man or any group of men. America's "supreme Law" does not rest with the President, the Congress, or even the Supreme Court. In America, the U.S. Constitution is the "supreme Law of the Land." Under our laws, every governing official publicly promises to submit to the Constitution of the United States. Do readers understand the significance of this distinction? I hope so.

This means that in America the "higher powers" are not the men who occupy elected office; they are the tenets and principles set forth in the U.S. Constitution. Under our laws and form of government, it is the duty of every citizen, including our elected officials, to obey the U.S. Constitution.
Therefore, this is how Romans Chapter 13 reads to Americans:
Citation:
"Let every soul be subject unto the [U.S. Constitution.] For there is no [Constitution] but of God: the [Constitution] that be [is] ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the [Constitution], resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. For [the Constitution is] not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the [Constitution]? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same: For [the Constitution] is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for [the Constitution] beareth not the sword in vain: for [the Constitution] is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil. Wherefore ye must needs be subject, not only for wrath, but also for conscience sake.
For this cause pay ye tribute also: for [the Constitution is] God's minister, attending continually upon this very thing. Render therefore to all their dues: tribute to whom tribute is due; custom to whom custom; fear to whom fear; honor to whom honor."



Dear Christian friend, the above is exactly the proper understanding of our responsibility to civil authority in these United States, as per the teaching of Romans Chapter 13.

Furthermore, Christians, above all people, should desire that their elected representatives submit to the Constitution, because it is constitutional government that has done more to protect Christian liberty than any governing document ever devised by man. As I have noted before in this column , Biblical principles form the foundation of all three of America's founding documents: The Declaration of Independence, The U.S. Constitution, and The Bill of Rights.

As a result, Christians in America (for the most part) have not had to face the painful decision to "obey God rather than men" and defy their civil authorities.

The problem in America today is that we have allowed our political leaders to violate their oaths of office and to ignore, and blatantly disobey, the "supreme Law of the Land," the U.S. Constitution.
Therefore, if we truly believe Romans Chapter 13, we will insist and demand that our civil magistrates submit to the U.S. Constitution.

Now, how many of us Christians are going to truly obey Romans Chapter 13?

(c) Chuck Baldwin


 http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n2229.cfm


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ROMAINS, CHAPITRE 13

ENGLISH : Romans Chapter 13
http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/c2007/cbarchive_20070810.html

VOIR AUSSI 1 Pierre 2 : 13

par Chuck Baldwin
10 août 2007

À chaque fois que quelqu'un tel que moi-même tente d'encourager nos frères et soeurs Chrétiens à résister aux lois inconstitutionnelles ou même répréhensibles du gouvernement, la réplique que l'on entend est, "Et que faites-vous de Romain chapitre 13 ? En tant que Chrétiens, nous devons nous soumettre au gouvernement.  N'importe quel gouvernement.  Lisez votre Bible et laissez-moi tranquille".  Ou d'autres paroles à ce sujet.

Il ne fait aucun  doute que ceux qui utilisent cet argument sont sincères.  Ils ne font que répéter ce qu'ils ont entendu de leur pasteur et d'autres leaders religieux.  D'un autre part, soyons assez honnêtes pour admettre que ceux qui utilisent cet argument sont tout simplement paresseux, apathiques et indifférents.  Et Romains 13 est leur échappatoire de leur responsabilité.  En passant, j'ai l'impression qu'ils sont nombreux à faire parti de ce groupe.  

De toute manière, pour le bénéfice de ceux qui sont sincères (mais en évidence, mal informés), examinons brièvement le chapitre 13 de Romains.  Voici Romains Chapitre 13, versets 1 à 7, de la Version Autorisé de la King James :

"Que toute personne soit soumise aux autorités supérieures; car il n'y a point d'autorité qui ne vienne de Dieu, et les autorités qui existent ont été instituées de Dieu. C'est pourquoi celui qui s'oppose à l'autorité résiste à l'ordre que Dieu a établi, et ceux qui résistent attireront une condamnation sur eux-mêmes. Ce n'est pas pour une bonne action, c'est pour une mauvaise, que les magistrats sont à redouter. Veux-tu ne pas craindre l'autorité? Fais-le bien, et tu auras son approbation.

Le magistrat est serviteur de Dieu pour ton bien. Mais si tu fais le mal, crains; car ce n'est pas en vain qu'il porte l'épée, étant serviteur de Dieu pour exercer la vengeance et punir celui qui fait le mal. Il est donc nécessaire d'être soumis, non seulement par crainte de la punition, mais encore par motif de conscience. C'est aussi pour cela que vous payez les impôts. Car les magistrats sont des ministres de Dieu entièrement appliqués à cette fonction. Rendez à tous ce qui leur est dû: l'impôt à qui vous devez l'impôt, le tribut à qui vous devez le tribut, la crainte à qui vous devez la crainte, l'honneur à qui vous devez l'honneur."

Est-ce que nos amis Chrétiens qui utilisent ces versets pour enseigner que nous ne devons pas s'opposer au Président Bush ou aucun autre leader politique croient réellement que les magistrats civils ont une autorité illimitée de faire tout ce qu'ils veulent sans opposition ?  Je doute qu'ils croient vraiment cela.

Par exemple, qu'arrive-t-il si notre Président décidait de remettre en vigueur la vieille coutume monarchique du Jus Primae Noctis (Loi de la Première Nuit Law of First Night) ?  Cette vieille coutume médiévale où le roi se réclame le droit de coucher avec l'épouse d'un sujet la première nuit de leur mariage.  Est-ce que nos frères Chrétiens diraient comme des moutons, "Le Chapitre 13 de Romains dit que nous devons nous soumettre au gouvernement" ?  Je ne crois pas.  Et est-ce que n'importe qui d'entre nous respecterait un homme qui se soumettrait à une telle loi ?

Donc, il y a des limites à l'autorité.  Comme le père a l'autorité dans sa maison, mais est-ce que cela lui donne le pouvoir d'abuser sa femme et ses enfants ?  Bien sûr que non.

Un employeur a autorité dans le lieu de travail, mais est-ce que cela lui donne le pouvoir de contrôler la vie privée de ses employés ?  Non.  Un pasteur a l'autorité dans l'église, mais est-ce que cela lui donne le pouvoir de dire aux employeurs dans son église comment diriger leur entreprise ?  Bien sûr que non.  Toute autorité humaine est, par nature, limitée. Personne n'a une autorité illimitée sur la vie des autres hommes.  (La Seigneurie et la Souveraineté sont le domaine exclusif de Jésus-Christ).

Dans le même ordre d'idée, un magistrat a autorité dans les affaires civiles, mais son autorité est limitée et définie.  Observez comment Romains 13 limite clairement l'autorité du gouvernement civil en définissant strictement son but :   " Ce n'est pas pour une bonne action, c'est pour une mauvaise, que les magistrats sont à redouter ... . Le magistrat est serviteur de Dieu pour ton bien ' étant serviteur de Dieu pour exercer la vengeance et punir celui qui fait le mal."

Remarquez que le gouvernement civil "n'est pas pour une bonne action, c'est pour une mauvaise, que les magistrats sont à redouter".  Il n'a pas le pouvoir ou l'autorité de terroriser les bonnes actions ou les bonnes gens.  Dieu ne leur a jamais donné cette autorité.  Et si un gouvernement outrepasse cette frontière divine il n'a aucune autorité ou protection divine.

Le gouvernement civil est un "serviteur de Dieu pour ton bien".  Il n'est pas un serviteur de Dieu pour le mal.  Les magistrats civils ont un devoir divin pour "exercer la vengeance et punir celui qui fait le mal".  Ils n'ont pas l'autorité d'exécuter la vengeance sur celui qui fait le bien.  Aucune. Niet. Zéro.  Et si quelqu'un dit qu'ils ont cette autorité, il ment.  Alors,  même s'il est dit aux Chrétiens de se soumettre à l'autorité civile, le Chapitre 13 de Romains limite le pouvoir et  la portée de l'autorité civile.

Est-ce que Moïse a violé le principe divin de soumission à l'autorité lorsqu'il a tué le maître d'oeuvre Égyptien en défendant son camarade hébreu ?  Est-ce que Élisée a violé le principe divin de soumission à l'autorité lorsqu'il a ouvertement défié Achab et Jézabel ?  Est-ce que David a violé le principe divin de soumission à l'autorité lorsqu'il a refusé de se rendre aux troupes de Saul ?  Est-ce que Daniel a violé le principe divin de soumission à l'autorité lorsqu'il a désobéi à la loi du roi de na pas prier Dieu de manière audible ?  Est-ce que les trois enfants hébreux ont violé le principe divin de soumission à l'autorité lorsqu'ils ont refusé de se prosterner devant l'image de l'état ?  Est-ce que Jean le Baptiste a violé le principe divin de soumission à l'autorité lorsqu'il a publiquement repris le Roi Hérode pour son infidélité ?  Est-ce que Simon Pierre et les autres Apôtres ont violé le principe divin de soumission à l'autorité lorsqu'ils ont refusé d'arrêter de prêcher dans les rues de Jérusalem ?  

Rappelez-vous que chaque apôtre de Christ (à l'exception de Jean) a été tué par les autorités civiles hostiles qui s'opposaient à leurs agissements.  Dans l'histoire de l'église, des Chrétiens ont été emprisonnés, torturés, ou tués par les autorités civiles pour avoir refusé de se soumettre aux lois variées et aux prohibitions.  Est-ce que tous ces martyres Chrétiens ont violé le principe divin de soumission à l'autorité ?

Donc, même les grands prophètes, apôtres, et écrivains de la Bible (incluant l'écrivain de Romains Chapitre 13) ont compris que l'autorité humaine même l'autorité civile est limitée.

De plus, Paul établit clairement que notre soumission à l'autorité civile doit s'appuyer sur plus que la peur des représailles du gouvernement.  Remarquez, il a dit,  "Il est donc nécessaire d'être soumis, non seulement par crainte de la punition, mais encore par motif de conscience."   Ce qui veut dire, que notre obéissance à l'autorité civile est plus que "parce qu'ils l'ont dit".  C'est aussi une question de conscience.  Cela veut dire que nous devons penser et raisonner pour nous-mêmes en ce qui a trait à la justesse et la droiture des lois de notre gouvernement.  L'obéissance n'est pas automatique ou robotique.  Elle est le résultat d'une délibération rationnelle autant que d'une approbation morale.
Donc, il arrive qu'il y a des moments où l'autorité civile doit être résistée.  L'abus de pouvoir ou la violation de notre conscience (ou les deux) par le gouvernement  peut précipiter la désobéissance civile.  Bien sûr, comment et quand nous décidons de résister à l'autorité civile est un question entièrement à part.  Et je garde cette discussion pour un autre moment.

Au delà de cela, nous aux États-Unis d'Amérique ne vivons pas sous une monarchie.  Nous n'avons pas de roi.  Dans notre pays, il n'y a pas qu'un seul représentant qui gouverne.  La  "Loi Suprême" Américaine ne repose pas sur aucun homme ou aucun groupe d'hommes.  La  "Loi Suprême" Américaine  ne repose pas sur le Président, le Congrès, ou même la Cour Suprême.  En Amérique, la Constitution des U.S.A. est la "Loi Suprême de la Nation".  Selon nos lois, chaque représentant du gouvernement promet publiquement de se soumettre à la Constitution des Etats-Unis.  Est-ce que les lecteurs comprennent la signification de cette distinction ?  Je l'espère.

Cela veut dire qu'en Amérique, les "pouvoirs en place" ne sont pas les hommes qui occupent un poste élu d'office, ils sont les doctrines et les principes établis par la Constitution des U.S.A.  Selon nos lois et notre forme de gouvernement, c'est le devoir de chaque citoyen, incluant nos représentants élus, d'obéir à la Constitution des U.S.A.  Donc, c'est ce que Romains Chapitre 13 dit aux Américains :

"Que toute personne soit soumise [à la Constitution des U.S.A.]; car il n'y a point de [Constitution] qui ne vienne de Dieu, et la [Constitution] qui [existe] a été instituée de Dieu. C'est pourquoi celui qui s'oppose à la [Constitution] résiste à l'ordre que Dieu a établi, et ceux qui résistent la [Constitution] attireront une condamnation sur eux-mêmes. Ce n'est pas pour une bonne action, c'est pour une mauvaise, que la [Constitution] [est] à redouter. Veux-tu ne pas craindre la [Constitution]? Fais-le bien, et tu auras son approbation. [La Constitution] est serviteur de Dieu pour ton bien. Mais si tu fais le mal, crains; car ce n'est pas en vain qu'il porte l'épée, étant  [la Constitution] de Dieu pour exercer la vengeance et punir celui qui fait le mal. Il est donc nécessaire d'être soumis, non seulement par crainte de la punition, mais encore par motif de conscience. C'est aussi pour cela que vous payez les impôts. Car [la Constitution est] ministre de Dieu entièrement appliquée à cette fonction. Rendez à tous ce qui leur est dû: l'impôt à qui vous devez l'impôt, le tribut à qui vous devez le tribut, la crainte à qui vous devez la crainte, l'honneur à qui vous devez l'honneur".

Chers amis Chrétiens, ce qui est ci-dessus est la compréhension exacte de notre responsabilité à l'autorité civile aux Etats-Unis, tel qu'enseigné dans Romains Chapitre 13.

De plus, les Chrétiens, plus que tous les autres personnes, devraient désirer que leurs représentants élus soient soumis à la Constitution, parce que c'est un gouvernement constitutionnel qui a fait plus pour protéger la liberté Chrétienne que tout autre gouvernement établi par l'homme.  Comme je l'ai déjà mentionné dans un article (Voir :
http://www.chuckbaldwinlive.com/c2005/cbarchive_20050630.html), les principes Bibliques forment la fondation des trois documents fondateurs américains : La Déclaration d'indépendance, la Constitution des U.S.A. et la Déclaration des Droits.

Comme résultat, les Chrétiens d'Amérique (pour la plupart) n'ont pas eu à faire face à la décision difficile "d’obéir à Dieu plutôt qu'aux hommes" et défier les autorités civiles.

Le problème en Amérique aujourd'hui est que nous avons tous permis à nos leaders politiques de violer leurs serments d'office et d'ignorer, et désobéir insolemment à la "Loi Suprême de la Nation", la Constitution des U.S.A.  Alors, si nous croyons réellement au Chapitre 13 de Romains, nous insisterons et demanderons que nos magistrats civils se soumettent à la Constitution des U.S.A.

Maintenant, combien d'entre nous Chrétiens allons vraiment obéir à Romains Chapitre 13 ?

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DURING THE COMING DISSOLUTION OF OUR CONSTITUTIONAL GOVERNMENT, WILL YOUR PASTOR COOPERATE WITH THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT, AS LIBERAL PROTESTANT PASTORS MEEKLY DID UNDER THE TERROR OF ADOLF HITLER?




Before you scoff, let us review our current news story.

NEWS BRIEF: "Homeland Security Enlists Clergy to Quell Public Unrest if Martial Law Ever Declared" http://www.ksla.com/Global/story.asp?S=6937987 , KSLA-TV, Shreveport, LA, Aug 23, 2007 View the actual TV video on this most explosive topic! http://www.ksla.com/global/video/popup/pop_player.asp?ClipID1=1670485&h1=Clergy%20to%20Help%20Government%20During%20Martial%20Law&vt1=v&at1=News&d1=121134&LaunchPageAdTag=News&activePane=info&playerVersion=1&hostPageUrl=http%3A//www.ksla.com/Global/story.asp%3FS%3D6937987&rnd=16906234

"Could martial law ever become a reality in America? Some fear any nuclear, biological or chemical attack on U.S. soil might trigger just that. KSLA News 12 has discovered that the clergy would help the government with potentially their biggest problem: Us."

The Federal Government rightly knows that many, many gun owners are genuine Christians. Therefore, in the early stages of the managed crisis which will give Federal officials the opportunity to dissolve our Constitutional government and take away our freedoms, they know they will have to deal with gun owners who are Bible-believing Christians.

How can the government possibly convince these Christian gun owners to surrender their guns peaceably? Remember, the first acts a dictatorial government always takes is to declare martial law and then confiscate guns from the public. Therefore, this discussion is not an academic one, is it?

"... gun confiscation is exactly what happened during the state of emergency following Hurricane Katrina in New Orleans, along with forced relocation. U.S. Troops also arrived, something far easier to do now, thanks to last year's elimination of the 1878 Posse Comitatus act, which had forbid regular U.S. Army troops from policing on American soil." (Ibid.)

The government plans to create the conditions ripe for the imposition of dictatorship. What is their plan?

1) Huge disaster -- in this case, the Illuminati plans another disaster on the scale of 9/11, or possibly even greater. Such a disaster would provide the pretext to implement the plan created over 100 years ago; we speak more of this fact, below, as we discuss "The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion".

2) Forced relocation from their homes -- New Orleans residents were forced to relocate out of their neighborhoods, in many instances to other states. Disclocation is key to disruption of normal life for tens of millions of civilians.

3) American troops could patrol the city, because Presidents Clinton and Bush have consistently eroded the prohibitions of the Posse' Comitatus Act
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Posse_Comitatus_Act . In New Orleans after Hurricane Katrina, Army troops did engage in law enforcement duties, as the video, below, demonstrates.

Now, let us return to this feature story, so we can see the role the government envisions for clergymen who do not know their Bibles. You will literally see that deceived and/or "wolves in sheep's clothing" clergymen are going to fulfill the role of the "Judas Goat", the animal which sheepherders use to be the first up the ramp to the slaughter truck, knowing that, once sheep see the goat going up the ramp, they will quietly and meekly follow -- going to their slaughter without resistance!

"If martial law were enacted here at home, like depicted in the movie 'The Siege', easing public fears and quelling dissent would be critical. And that's exactly what the 'Clergy Response Team' helped accomplish in the wake of Katrina. Dr. Durell Tuberville serves as chaplain for the Shreveport Fire Department and the Caddo Sheriff's Office. Tuberville said of the clergy team's mission, 'the primary thing that we say to anybody is, 'let's cooperate and get this thing over with and then we'll settle the differences once the crisis is over.' " (Ibid., Emphasis added)

That last concept is most interesting, don't you think? Liberal clergy will be assuring their flock that they will soon get their freedoms and their Constitution back "once the crisis is over". Isn't it interesting that the Illuminati thought of this very concept as they planned over 100 years ago to take our freedoms from us? Listen to their exact wording:

"4. WE ARE WOLVES -- The [people] are a flock of sheep, and we are their wolves. And you know what happens when the wolves get hold of the flock?

5. There is another reason also why they will close their eyes: for we shall keep promising them to give back all the liberties we have taken away as soon as we have quelled the enemies of peace and tamed all parties .....

6. It is not worthwhile to say anything about how long a time they will be kept waiting for this return of their liberties" ["PROTOCOL 11 -- THE TOTALITARIAN STATE", The Protocols of the Learned Elders of Zion]



Did you completely understand this last sentence? "It is not worthwhile to say anything about how long a time they will be kept waiting for this return of their liberties".

To see how important this false assurance is going to be to these clergymen in convincing people to cooperate with the Federal Government, let us return to this current news article.

"Civil rights advocates believe the amount of public cooperation during such a time of unrest may ultimately depend on how long they expect a suspension of rights might last." (Ibid.)

All clergymen who plan on cooperating with the Federal Government by holding up the false hope that, when the crisis is over, the people will get their freedoms and their Constitution back, had better think again! No hungry wolf ever spares the life of his victim once he has him in his jaws. Neither will this most power-hungry Illuminati ever give his victims another chance once he has disbanded the beloved American Constitution.

Lest you think I am wrong on this issue, listen to a current Illuminati boldly state this part of the Plan.

"Gen. Tommy Franks says that if the United States is hit with a weapon of mass destruction that inflicts large casualties, the Constitution will likely be discarded in favor of a military form of government ... if terrorists succeeded in using a weapon of mass destruction (WMD) against the U.S. or one of our allies, it would likely have catastrophic consequences for our cherished republican form of government." ("Gen. Franks Doubts Constitution Will Survive WMD Attack", by NewsMax, 11/21/03; read our analysis in NEWS1979
http://cuttingedge.org/NEWS/n1979.cfm ).

At this point, you must be asking yourself a pertinent question: since Christians place much stock in the Bible, will these liberal clergymen be able to base their message of cooperation with the government upon any scrïpture?

Let us return to our news story:

"For the clergy team, one of the biggest tools that they will have in helping calm the public down or to obey the law is the bible itself, specifically Romans 13. Dr. Tuberville elaborated, 'because the government's established by the Lord, you know. And, that's what we believe in the Christian faith. That's what's stated in the scrïpture'." (Ibid.)

Too many churches and pastors have been misleading their flocks on this issue for the past 100 years. Cutting Edge recently posted an article written by Pastor Chuck Baldwin on this very subject. While we cannot quote it at length here, we encourage you to read it fully, for Pastor Baldwin debunks the use of Romans 13 as the basis for meekly cooperating with the government all of the time, and under any circumstances. This article is NEWS2229
http://cuttingedge.org/news/n2229.cfm .

During the reign of Adolf Hitler, three prominent Protestant theologians were dramatically successful in convincing German Protestants to cooperate with Hitler, including with his genocide of 18 million "Devalued People". (See DVD pictured above, "Theologians Under Hitler"
http://cuttingedge.org/detail.cfm?ID=1343 . You will be shocked)

The Illuminati here in America is using this same tactic, and will most assuredly get the same cooperative response, from a Christian population not familiar enough with Romans 13 to know when they are being deceived.

When America has reached this unfortunate point, will these liberal clergymen also use the powers of their office to assist the government in the persecution of true believers who are not willing to give the Federal Government carte blanche authority based on Romans 13, or who are not willing to compromise their beliefs to accomodate the new political/religious paradigm?

Will these liberal christian leaders act like the liberal churchmen of Hitler's Germany in identifying recalcitrant church members and turn them in to the dictatorial authorities?

I personally believe that much of the reason genuine Christians will be turned in to authorities is because church leaders submissive to the government will turn them in. Hitler was so successful in turning Germany from a democracy to the kind of dictatorial power which could murder 18 million devalued people and begin a war which would consume the lives of tens of millions, that the current Illuminati leadership is following his example.

If you are a genuine Christian pastor, are you prepared for officers of Homeland Security to enter your sanctuary, to sit down on your front row -- dressed in intimidating official clothing -- and to listen to your sermon and your announcements? Are you prepared to have them arrest you after the service for not adhering to official government guidelines as to what you can and cannot say?

These intimidation tactics worked extremely well during Hitler's reign, and they will work once again, all over the world. Pastors need to remember the era in which they are living, and not succumb to the temporary political and religious pressure from your Illuminist government, but keep their minds focused on the eternal.

This following Biblical passage is simply pregnant with meaning for pastors and other church leaders of this present era.

"Like a muddied fountain and a polluted spring is a righteous man who yields, falls down, and compromises his integrity before the wicked." (Proverbs 25:26; Parallel Bible, KJV/Amplified Bible Commentary)


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LEFT JUSTIFIED: CIA IS TAKING OVER THE CHURCHES

By Stanley Campbell  

I didn't think much when I met one of the evangelical pastors from an Assembly of God church, and he told me he was a former CIA agent. I wondered how he came by his faith. I thought he might have had to reconcile himself with what he had done for the United States government now that he was a pastor for the Lord. But then I met another, and then another. There seems to be a plethora of pastors who once worked as intelligence officers for the world's largest spying corporation.

Now, I'm not a paranoid person, and I don't believe in conspiracy theories, but the thought of ex-CIA agents taking over fundamentalist congregations seems too weird.

Because I remember when pastors were liberal and anti-war. I remember hearing of Catholic CIA agents who blew the whistle on atrocities committed in Vietnam and Central America. In fact, some of the best-known heroes of the left came from a religious background, entered the CIA and were appalled at what they were ordered to do.

Case in point: Daniel Ellsberg. Once a seminary student, then an officer in Vietnam, and finally working for the nation's highest intelligence organization, he was ordered to compile all the records of our war in Vietnam into a readable history. Ellsberg got them published by The New York Times, instead of keeping them secret. Otherwise known as the Pentagon Papers, these records showed how America deceived its own citizens and fostered a war in that far Southeast Asian country, of which we are still feeling the effects today.

President Richard Nixon, to try to discredit Daniel Ellsberg, set up the plumbers spies who ransacked Ellsberg's psychiatrist office. Tricky Dick then used these same plumbers to tap the Democratic Headquarters in the Watergate office buildings.

Other former CIA agents, like Phillip Agee and John Stockwell, told their stories of intrigue and American meddling in the affairs of other countries. All had a religious background and a penchant for telling the truth at inconvenient times. And in the 80s, it seemed Protestant churches led the forefront of the peace movement. Maybe liberals got religion when Ronald Reagan was elected President, but they opened the church doors to Central and South American refugees fleeing American imperialism. Latin American liberals were being called Communists and were getting killed left and far left. Those that made it to our borders were given sanctuary in some of the churches of the United States.

The FBI hounded most of these pastors and lay people. But it was a time of religious fortitude. The congregations, most of them, stood strong against federal intrigue. And they were proven correct: from Chile to Chiapas, the long arm of the CIA reached into innocent people's lives.

This may have triggered the CIA encouraging their members to find religion. I'm not saying it's a program set up by the government. But if I were to write a novel, I would use the premise of evangelical churches getting lots of support from the United States government's right wing.

It was about the 1990s when the growth of these churches reached corporate levels, and television enhanced the conservative Christian political activists. Many of the mega congregations have a conservative bent to their politics, and I would like to know how many of those pastors got their degree from Arlington, Va.

There is talk that in the End Times, an Anti-Christ will show up preaching peace but planning wars. There is little that is more anti-Christ than the Central Intelligence Agency. And some of these churches believe God hates homosexuals and wants us to go to war and kill Muslims. They have little regard for immigrants, and some profess Jesus never asked us to help the poor. If that isn't anti-Christ, I don't know what is.

But it all could be an overworked imagination.

Stanley Campbell is executive director of Rockford Urban Ministries and spokesman for Rockford Peace & Justice.


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CHURCH ORGANISATION REFUSES TO DIVULGE IF PASTORS ARE ON FEMA PAYROLL

Member expressed concerns about martial law training, told information was privileged

Paul Joseph Watson
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Monday, February 2, 2009

A large church organization has refused to divulge how many of its pastors are on the FEMA payroll, after a member expressed concerns about religious leaders being used to condition their congregation to accept the declaration of martial law.

In a May 2006
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2006/240506femaplan.htm tory we first broke the shocking news that FEMA was training pastors and other religious representatives to become secret police enforcers who teach their congregations to "obey the government" in preparation for a declaration of martial law, property and firearm seizures, and forced relocation.

Despite debunkers and urban myth websites claiming the story was a hoax, it was confirmed in triplicate by mainstream news outlets over a year later.

A KSLA news report
http://www.ksla.com/Global/story.asp?S=6937987 onfirmed that Clergy Response Teams are being trained by the federal government to quell dissent and pacify citizens to obey the government in the event of a declaration of martial law.

Concerned about such developments, a member of the California-based Worldwide Church of God
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worldwide_Church_of_God , an organization that boasts 64,000 members in 860 congregations in about 90 countries, asked if any of the church's pastors were involved in the FEMA program.

The head office quickly replied hastily within an hour by telling me, sorry, that is privileged information, the man states. The reply was in big bold script like I've never seen before in emails. I was also a bit put off by the word privileged.

I responded to the stated email and reworded my request slightly by demanding, are there ANY of our pastors on the payroll of FEMA , YES or NO. Their first response came after about an hour. But, it has been almost 24 hours and I am still waiting for my church's second response to my second request,  he adds.

It seems that church groups are reticent to let slip any information concerning the issue of pastors being trained to help manage a state of martial law following the controversy stirred up by the exposure of the program in 2006.

Indeed, the pastors that took a risk by first divulging the information to us were later threatened by Homeland Security and told to keep their mouths shut.

With new legislation in Congress pending that will mandate the set-up of a network of FEMA camp facilities to be used to house U.S. citizens in the event of a national emergency, along with the announcement that tens of thousands of active military personnel are to be placed inside the United States under Northcom, partly for purposes of dealing with civil unrest and crowd control http://www.prisonplanet.com/new-legislation-authorizes-fema-camps-in-us.htm…  , fears about a state of martial law being prepared are no longer the fantasies of paranoid conspiracy theorists, but an all too real possibility as we move towards the end of the first decade of the 21st century.


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26,000 PASTORS FOR MARTIAL LAW CONTINUITY OF GOVERNMENT

Youtube
Thursday, July 17, 2008

Video compilation about continuity of government plans for martial law including the KSLA News report of the 26,000 pastors recruited for handling the people during a martial law take over.

There are over 800 camps throughout the United States. Recently 26,000 pastors were recruited by FEMA(Federal Emergency Management Association) to instruct their congregations that in case of an emergency they are to peacefully hand over their arms and their children and go to the camps.

In a case like Hurricane Katrina, people were starving, and had no home. They had no choice but to go to the FEMA camps or die of starvation.

Is this the choice you want to be left with in the event of a local or national emergency, or might it be smarter to prepare now with emergency food, water and supplies?

VIDEO :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrypChFrcSk&eurl=http://www.prisonplanet.com/26000-pastors-for-martial-law-continuity-of-government.html&feature=player_embedded

To further your education listen to and watch everything by G. Edward Griffin and Alex Jones on the Internet, the GCN network at gcnlive.com and RBN.

Support congressmen Peter DeFazio and Ron Paul.    

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26,000 PASTEURS POUR LA CONTINUITÉ DE LA LOI MARTIALE DU GOUVERNEMENT

Traduction : Esther Chrétien

Youtube
Jeudi, 17 juillet 2008

La compilation de vidéos relative à la continuité des plans du gouvernement en vue de la loi martiale comprend le rapport de nouvelles du KSLA des 26,000 pasteurs recrutés pour s'occuper du peuple et le contrôler durant la prise de pouvoir de la loi martiale.

Il y a plus de 800 camps au travers des États-Unis.  Récemment 26,000 pasteurs ont été recrutés par la FEMA (Association Fédérale pour l'Administration des Urgences) afin qu'ils avertissent leurs congrégations qu'en cas d'urgence ils doivent remettre pacifiquement leurs armes et leurs enfants et se rendre dans les camps.

Dans un cas comme l'Ouragan Katrina, le peuple était affamé et n'avait plus de maison.  Ils n'avaient d'autre choix que de se rendre aux camps de la FEMA ou mourir de faim.

Est-ce là le choix que vous désirez avoir dans l'éventualité d'une urgence locale ou nationale, ou ne serait-il pas plus intelligent de vous préparer maintenant en stockant de la nourriture, de l'eau et de l'équipement d'urgence ?

VIDÉO : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NrypChFrcSk&eurl=http://www.prisonplanet…

Pour parfaire votre éducation, écoutez et regardez tout ce qui vient de G. Edward Griffin et Alex Jones sur l'Internet, le réseau GCN à genlive.com et RBN.

Supportez les congressistes Peter DeFazio et Ron Paul.


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CHURCH DOCUMENT ENCOURAGES CONGREGATION TO OBEY GOVERNMENT



Shocking perversion of Romans 13 claims that pro-abortion Obama is God's minister

Paul Joseph Watson
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Wednesday, March 4, 2009

A shocking document has come to light from a church in Ohio which educates its congregation that Barack Obama's presidency is appointed by God and that Obama himself is God's minister,  in another perversion of Romans 13, the bible verse cited as an excuse for Christians not to oppose tyranny.

Ohio District Superintendent Rev. John Wooton was responsible for distributing the pamphlet, which was handed out at the Assembly of God church in Ohio, according to a reader who forwarded the document to us. Click here for the PDF file
http://www.prisonplanet.com/images/March2009/040309document.pdf .

This was handed out at the Assembly of God church that my fiance and I used to attend. We immediately stopped attending after getting this flier about submitting to Obama and the government, states the reader.

The pastor even brought children to the front of the church, encouraging them to submit to teachers, firemen, and the police. It was insane.

I confronted the pastor about his stance on Romans 13, a year prior, and he assured me that he would never sell out his church. This sermon was given on the immediate Sunday after Obama's election win. Please post this and inform others about it. I never, ever thought this would happen in the church I was attending, but thankfully, we were informed enough to leave this church, he concludes.

The document cites Romans 13 verses 1-4 and claims that the following paraphrases can be interpreted from the bible.

- Barack Obama's presidency is appointed by God. (v 1)

- Christians should lead the way in supporting Barack Obama's presidency. (v 2)

- Barack Obama's presidency can be a force for good and a deterrent against evil. (v 3)

- As president, Barack Obama is God's minister to you for good. (v 4)

The document concedes that a majority of practicing Christians probably didn't even vote for Obama because of his pro-abortion policies, indeed one of Obama's first acts
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/january2009/012109_black_babies.htm as President was to issue an executive order which ensured that millions more black babies are aborted in third world countries, with American taxpayers picking up the tab.

Obama himself has also scoffed at Christians in the past
http://blog.christianitytoday.com/ctliveblog/archives/2008/04/obama_they_clin.html , arrogantly stating that people cling to guns or religion in tough times.

Despite this, the document urges Christians to support loudly Obama's policies and remember who is in control.

Romans 13 has routinely been cited by tyrants throughout history in an attempt to prevent Christians from opposing their rule, indeed, it was Hitler's favorite bible verse. Religious groups such as the Catholics in 1930's Germany also used the verse as an excuse not to rise up against the Nazis when they were still a minority political party.

A large number of mainstream church representatives claim that Romans 13 means Christians should obey the ruling authorities no matter how tyrannical they are, and yet the bible itself is full of examples of men standing up to corrupt authorities and attempting to change the system - Jesus, John the Baptist and Moses being the prime examples.

Should Jesus have refrained from throwing the money changers out of the temple? Should Moses have cowered from standing up to the Egyptian slave masters? Should John the Baptist have kept quiet about the sinful practices of Herod Antipas, his condemnation of which led to his beheading?

The fact that large churches in America are encouraging their congregation to all but obey the government and support their agenda even if it opposes basic Christian principles is a shocking indictment of how much control the state now exercises over the church through the carrot of the 501(c)(3) Status dangled in front of corruptible pastors and preachers.

Ominously. as we first exposed in 2006
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2006/240506femaplan.htm , FEMA is training pastors and other religious representatives to become secret police enforcers who teach their congregations to obey the government in preparation for a declaration of martial law, property and firearm seizures, and forced relocation. The bible verse that FEMA encourages religious representatives to cite while undertaking this role? Romans 13.

The individual who forwarded the document noted that around the time the sermon was given, the church seemed to have an influx of funds.

This church has a new stage with flat screen monitors, updated church vans, and is talking about expanding the church by building a new church, which all occurred around the giving of this sermon. Mind you, we were having a hard time buying new chairs for our church, no more than a year ago. Coincidence? he writes.


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L'ORGANISATION DES ÉGLISES REFUSE DE DIVULGUER SI LES PASTEURS SONT SUR LA LISTE DE PAYE DE LA FEMA.

Traduction : Esther Chrétien


Un membre a exprimé ses inquiétudes à propos de l'entraînement pour la loi martiale et il a dit que l'information était privilégiée.

Paul Joseph Watson
Prison Planet.com
Lundi, 2 février 2009

Après qu'un membre d'une église a exprimé ses inquiétudes sur le fait que des dirigeants religieux sont utilisés pour conditionner leur congrégation à accepter la déclaration de la loi martiale, une grande organisation d'églises a refusé de divulguer combien de ses pasteurs sont sur la liste de paye de
la FEMA.

Prison Planet, dans un document du mois de mai 2006 ( http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2006/240506femaplan.htm )  a été la première à donner la nouvelle choquante que la FEMA entraînait les pasteurs et d'autres représentants religieux à devenir les exécuteurs de la police secrète en enseignant à leurs congrégations à obéir au gouvernement dans le cas d'une déclaration de loi martiale, de la saisie de la propriété et des armes et la relocalisation forcée.

Malgré le fait que les sceptiques et les sites internet relatifs aux mythes urbains clamaient haut que l'histoire était un canular, plus d'un an aprèsm elle a été confirmée trois fois dans les journaux principaux.

Un rapport du KSLA ( http://www.ksla.com/Global/story.asp?S=6937987 ) a confirmé que les Équipes Cléricales de Réponse sont en train d'être entraînées par le gouvernement fédéral pour apaiser la dissidence et pour pacifier les citoyens afin qu'ils obéissent au gouvernement dans l'éventualité d'une déclaration de la loi martiale.

Inquiet à propos de tels développements, un membre de l'Église Mondiale de Dieu (Worldwide Church of God)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worldwide_Church_of_God, une organisation qui se vante d'avoir 64,000 membres dans 860 congrégations dans environ 90 pays, a demandé s'il y avait des pasteurs d'église impliqués dans le programme de la FEMA.

L'homme déclare que Le bureau chef a rapidement répondu en dedans d'une heure en me disant, « Désolé, cela est de l'information privilégiée ». La réponse était en caractère foncé comme je n'en avais jamais vu dans des courriels.   J'étais un peu débouté par le mot « privilégié » 
 
Il a ajouté : J'ai répondu à ce courriel en reformulant légèrement ma requête et en demandant, « Y a-t-il AUCUN de nos pasteurs sur la liste de paye de la FEMA, OUI ou NON ».  Leur première réponse est arrivée après une heure.  Mais, cela fait presque 24 heures et j'attends encore la deuxième réponse de mon assemblées pour ma deuxième demande.

Il semble que les groupes d'église sont réticents à laisser échapper l'information concernant la question que les pasteurs soient entraînés à gérer un état de la loi martiale suite à la controverse soulevée par la dénonciation de ce programme en 2006.

En effet, les pasteurs qui ont pris un risque, en nous dévoilant l'information les premiers, ont été par la suite menacés par le Homeland Security et ont été avertis de se taire.

Avec la nouvelle loi du Congrès, qui est pendante pour l'instant, cela donnera le mandat d'établir un réseau de camps de la FEMA qui sera utilisé pour abriter les citoyens américains dans l'éventualité d'une urgence nationale, en même temps que l'annonce que des dizaines de milliers de militaires actifs vont être déplacés à l'intérieur des États-Unis sous le Northcom, en partie dans le but de s'occuper de l'arrestation de civils et du contrôle des foules
http://www.prisonplanet.com/new-legislation-authorizes-fema-camps-in-us.html, les craintes qu'un état de loi martiale soit en train d'être préparé ne sont plus des théories fantaisistes de conspirations paranoïaques, mais sont d'une possibilité trop réelle à mesure que nous avançons vers la fin de la première décennie du 21e siècle.


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CHURCHES GET EDUCATED IN SECURITY

How behind this new security "law enforcment", they prepare the destruction of the Christians churches.
1. Christian Security Institute (CSI) under government control (FEMA, Homeland Security, FBI) = We use data bases such as the FBI's National Incident Based Reporting System (NIBRS) and Carl Chinn as our source data
2. Chuck Chadwick, former security director for Ed Young's Fellowship Church = Fellowship Church is under World Council of churches.
3. Gatekeepers = Will have arms to "protect" christians.
4. "The laws in Texas are quite specific about the legality of carrying firearms in churches as a part of the increasingly popular 'Security Teams '" Chadwick says. "You can't just get Bubba-Joe with his Concealed Handgun License to ride heard over the flock. Actually it is illegal and can earn the pistol packer a class 'A' misdemeanor punishable by up to one year in jail and a $10,000 fine." = Submit to the governemtal laws, not God's laws. = Christians can't have arms to protect themselves in their churches.
5. "That is went we developed our 'Gatekeeper' program modeled after the Gatekeepers of biblical days." (I Chronicles 9:21)= Using verse of the Bible to advance their evil agenda. The Lord never use His enemies, who are working for the destruction of the churches, to check the gate.

Do you see the coming destruction of thousands of Christians who believe their government neither than the Almighty God, when these Gatekeepers will receive the orders of their masters to turn their arms against christians or to help them to move on in FEMA bus or trains???


CHURCHES GET EDUCATED IN SECURITY

Contact: Chuck Chadwick, Christian Security Institute, 972-712-8818, Chuck@ChristianSI.org

FRISCO, Texas, March 9, 2011 /Christian Newswire/ -- Behind the innocuous doors of a suite in a Frisco, TX strip center sits the nation's only security school exclusively dedicated to training church security personnel. The Christian Security Institute (CSI) is a state licensed security school that produces plainclothes Personal Protection Officers for some of the largest churches in America. It's president, Chuck Chadwick, former security director for Ed Young's Fellowship Church, says the demand has been increasing steadily for the past ten years to where the institute now furnished the church specific training program to a host of churches.

Equipped with the latest technology using laser shot simulation, defensive tactics area, judgmental branching video scenario simulation and firearms training the school has all the tools needed to train elite "Gatekeepers". Live firearms training is conducted at a local private tactical range.

The Institute also touts its command center with a wall of video monitors where it tracks violent church crimes form across the nation. "Keeping track of national church violent crime incidents helps us to understand the need for our programs." says Chadwick. "We use data bases such as the FBI's National Incident Based Reporting System (NIBRS) and Carl Chinn as our source data."

"The laws in Texas are quite specific about the legality of carrying firearms in churches as a part of the increasingly popular 'Security Teams '" Chadwick says. "You can't just get Bubba-Joe with his Concealed Handgun License to ride heard over the flock. Actually it is illegal and can earn the pistol packer a class 'A' misdemeanor punishable by up to one year in jail and a $10,000 fine."

The statistics speak for themselves. According to the nation's leading church violent crime statistician Carl Chinn of M7 www.CarlChinn.com; from 1/1/1999 through 9/15/2010 there were 167 deadly force incidents resulting in the death of others in churches.

Of those incidents only 5 were stopped in process by law enforcement, 7 were stopped in process by others and the remaining 155 were stopped when the attacker was finished.

Law enforcement tell us that until they get there; "We are on our own to stop the incident." Most of the time the police get there to take the report. In the average active shooter incident a person is shot every 15 seconds.

In the most infamous church shooting at New Life Church in Colorado Springs in 2007 the assailant emptied three thirty round clips from an assault rifle killing two young girls and wounding several others. The total incident lasted less than five minutes.

"We had to come up with a solution that was legal and low cost for churches." says Chadwick "That is went we developed our 'Gatekeeper' program modeled after the Gatekeepers of biblical days." (I Chronicles 9:21)

A free seminar, "Active Shooter Strategies & Texas Security Laws", will be given April 9, 2011 from 1:30pm - 3:00 pm at the Christian Security Institute located at 1701 Legacy Dr. Suite 125, Frisco, TX. This free seminar will examine some of the more infamous incidents and detail the various legal options available to Texas churches.

Contact Chuck Chadwick (972) 712-8818 or Chuck@ChristianSI.org

www.ChristianSI.org .


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